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A good Tuesday to all. We’re now into August, which means: there will be Colorado Avalanche hockey next month. Next. Month. I remember this weird feeling so well, having covered the first two Avalanche Cup teams (I’m 3-0 in Cup Finals as an Avalanche writer in my looonnng career. DaterJinx? Ha!). These are the dog days when it comes to hockey news, but we still have some unanswered questions about what the Avalanche roster will look like next month and/or into October. Let’s do some notes, flotsam and jetsam:

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  • My colleague at NYI Hockey Now, and up-and-coming kid named Stefen Rosner, posted a story yesterday which delves more into what his sources are saying about the Nazem Kadri situation (NYI Hockey Now).
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  • I know this about the Colorado Avalanche, if they lose Kadri: they have a plan in place, to move quickly. Exactly what that is? Yeah, still a $64,000 question (look it up kids).
  • Philly Hockey Now: There is a relatively new stat to measure a goalie’s true value, which is Goals Saved Above Expected.  And it shows that the Philadelphia Flyers’ Carter Hart needs to improve significantly this season.
  • Kirill Kaprizov is back in the U.S. after worried reports said he might be trapped in Russia because of Putin Politics. (Washington Hockey Now)
  • Nick Suzuki has a weird wrinkle to his new contract in Montreal (Montreal Hockey Now)
  • Could Milan Lucic make a return to Boston? (Boston Hockey Now)
  • More on Nathan MacKinnon’s plans for a parade in Halifax, Nova Scotia, at some point this summer (CBC)
  • Interesting interview with former NHLPA boss Paul Kelly, on the challenges ahead for the players (Hockey News)
  • Grading every team’s left wing depth (TSN)
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jimstrohmeier

Great report AD, and fabulous links. Subscribers to CHN get a ton of content and the links with other teams’ sites, makes the cost of subscription a real deal. Kadri should take the money, wherever he signs, because a hockey player’s career is relatively short and paydays are never a guarantee. The Avs will miss him, but Avs’ management has dealt with it before and the possibilities of replacements for Naz and Burky are already there. This core group was significantly enhanced by Cale Makar, which Landy alluded to after the Stanley Cup win, the big question is what kind… Read more »

Donald Victory

And Miakko needs to take one for the team on his renewal. He got premium dollars up front as he improved, then plateaued.

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Charlie Anderson

go away

Ryan Krueger

I’m thinking $12M for 7 or 8 years and he is worth it. Home team discounts needn’t apply with Nate. If he does great, but he must be paid whatever it takes.

ricoflashback

I think I’m Kadried out. What’s plan “B?”

Donald Victory

Kadri is one relapse away from huring the team like he did on 2021 playoffs. Bonehead. But hey, Sakic rehabbed him with the lobotomy, and so far so good. Good for NYI!

Yan Girard

Why talk about Plan B when the team has a Plan A? Plan A = Rantanen

ricoflashback

Rantanen isn’t a center and it will be a huge mistake to try and force him into that role. He’s a winger and a scorer. You don’t fix what ain’t broken. Since Plan A isn’t dumping Girard and his 5 year, $5M salary cap sentence – – the Avs will need an experienced 2nd line center. Rodrigues makes the most sense if Sakic won’t pull the trigger on a Sammy deal. Unless I’m reading it wrong, it looks like Sakic won’t do anything and this is the team that will defend the Stanley Cup. Adding a dinky defenseman like Brad… Read more »

Cody Danko

The team that takes the ice on October 12 is not the team that will defend the Cup in the 2023 playoffs just like last year’s opening night roster was not the team that won the Cup in the 2022 playoffs.

Donald Victory

True that…I see Sakitch acquiring useless talent on the blueline with intent to resign with EJ set to retire (pray to Jesus) and a forward with Jimmothy to be moving on…

Bob Neal

It’s not wise to blindly assume the Av’s will play adequately to be well positioned heading into the playoffs prior to the trade deadline. That didn’t work out very well for Vegas last year. Everyone was so worried with them being so far over the salary cap and what they were going to do heading into the playoffs and then they didn’t even make the playoffs. The Av’s are a dominant team and shouldn’t have any trouble making the playoffs but once you start messing with team chemistry don’t count your chickens before they hatch. I also remember some of… Read more »

Donald Victory

Miakko is not a prolific scorer he has become an assist guy which he was in the playoffs unless he was playing injured. If not, quite a pu55y then for his size.

Yan Girard

Bednar said :
 
“He [Rantanen] played center when he was younger,”. He’s a smart player, who works deep in the zone and is good defensively. […] It’s a different job to play center, but I think he’ll be able to do the job.”
 
I think too!

Karl Keen

The majority of his goals come from sniping from the far side of the goal.

Yan Girard

Rantanen is not a one-dimensional player like Max Pacioretty. He is a complete player. Playing in the center will not prevent Rantanen from occupying his usual position on the power play for example. As a center player, Rantanen’s style of play could look a lot like Leon Draisaitl’s. Imagine the damage the team could cause if Rantanen managed to get close to Draisaitl’s game by playing at the center position. I believe Rantanen is not performing to its full potential right now. I believe Rantanen has the potential to deliver performances similar to Draisaitl.

Glendon Gulliver

The daily struggle!

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Yan Girard

Why talk about Plan B when the team has a Plan A? Plan A = Rantanen

Glendon Gulliver

A Plan A of Rantanen playing 2C is fine, but there then needs to be additional supporting players. The 2nd line would need a new winger and if either Compher or Newhook are elevated to that spot, then the 3rd line would need someone. The team may also want an additional depth d-man.

If Plan A is just Rantanen and hope for the best, that does not seem like much of a plan.

Yan Girard

Can you tell me which players replaced Donskoi and Saad last year? Thank you. Did you know that these players would replace Donskoi and Saad? Thank you. By the way, can you name Sydney Crosby’s wingers during his 3 Stanley Cup conquests? Thank you very much! Now you understand the impact that an excellent center player can have on a hockey team!

Karl Keen

Lehkonen, Sturm, and Cagliano replaced them. We would not have won the cup without them.

Strange to bring up excellent centers while stating that Kadri is not important enough to re-sign over Girard.

Yan Girard

Lekhonen, Sturm and Cogliano did not start the year with the team. It is customary for a Stanley Cup aspiring team to make trades by the deadline. That’s what the team has done the last two years. Sturm and Cogliano did not have the same role as Donskoi and Saad. And look at the role of Lekhonen, Sturm and Cogliano with their former team in recent years. Then, it is still strange that the new man with more than 6 million goes completely unnoticed and that we think rather to emphasize the importance of a player who has played about… Read more »

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Glendon Gulliver

Yan, you just made the point for all of those people who say trade Girard. Just like Kadri, the Avs still won the cup without him in the lineup. Girard played one shift in game 7 of the playoffs and the Avs went on to win that game and go 10-4 after that beating St. Lous, Edmonton, and Tampa Bay without him. The team obviously did not need him, just as they did not need Kadri. Girard is a second pair d-man in a good hockey team and nothing more. You are correct that Rantanen has great potential as a… Read more »

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Yan Girard

I bring the same ridiculous arguments as Girard’s haters. I put myself down to them by speaking the same language so that he can understand something. The Avalanche’s decision to prefer Girard to Kadri was based on the age, salary and performance of the players on the ice. It’s as simple as that. Now people are free to understand what they want and to entertain false beliefs if it can comfort them. And I would be willing to put my hand in the fire that the choice of the team was never between Girard and Kadri but rather between Kadri… Read more »

Glendon Gulliver

Nichushkin replaced Saad and luckily it worked out. Donskoi was basically replaced by committee. O’Conner and NAK, with different 3rd line combinations among them with Newhook, Compher, Jost, and others. Lekhonen was brought in to be on the 3rd line with Newhook and Compher, but played on the top six because of injuries and the Burakovsky not producing. As far as Crosby’s wingers, I have no clue. I do not follow them. Do you know who his wingers were the 14 seasons the Pens did not win the cup? Were they the reason they did not win or was it… Read more »

Yan Girard

Ovechkin played with Kuznetsov and Backstrom as center players. When you don’t know the wingers of a center player like Crosby, there’s a good chance the wingers aren’t among the NHL’s elite. If Crosby played with Marchant and Pastrnak like Bergeron in Boston, there’s probably a better chance you’d know Crosby’s wingers if you know what I mean. It shows you how far a top center can take his team by playing even with ordinary wingers. A center player can more easily make the players around him better than a winger. In addition, I invite you to follow other NHL… Read more »

Glendon Gulliver

You know Yan, you really do not get it. It is great you know who past players are on some teams. You may even be able to recite everyone who is on the Stanley Cup for the last 50 years. I do follow hockey and just because I cannot tell you who Crosby’s wingers were from 5,6, or 13 years ago. You can impress us all by telling us who Mario’s wingers were! You want people to fall into your trap of what ifs. What if Crosby played with Marchant and Pastrnak? So what? How many dream teams have never… Read more »

Yan Girard

I don’t think you understand the message I’m trying to send you. An excellent center player makes the players around him better. Crosby is a good example as he never played with wingers who were considered elite and helped his team win several Stanley Cups. My point is that if Rantanen becomes a great center, he could take Compher, Newhook or any other player on the team to another level. Before the start of the last season, had you identified Nichushkin as Saad’s or Donskoi’s replacement? No, and neither do I. Before the start of the last season, did you… Read more »

Karl Keen

I’m open to trying Rantanan at center. Do you then suggest Newhook moves up as a winger?

Yan Girard

Depending on performance, Newhook and Compher could be interchangeable:   Landeskog – Mackinnon – Nichushkin Newhook – Rantanen – Lekhonen Meyers – Compher – O’Connor Cogliano – Helm – Sedlak   Or   Landeskog – Mackinnon – Nichushkin Compher – Rantanen – Lekhonen Meyers – Newhook – O’Connor    à  youth line Cogliano – Helm – Sedlak   Depending on performance, Sedlak and O’Connor could be interchangeable on the wing  ; Meyers and Newhook could be interchangeable in the center :   Landeskog – Mackinnon – Nichushkin Compher – Rantanen – Lekhonen Meyers – Newhook – Sedlak Cogliano – Helm – O’Connor… Read more »

A. Gow

Helm- Cogliano- Sedlak YOUTH LINE.?? Please tell me I read that wrong. If I didn’t I could swear you said you Followed Hockey. to a Different point, Mikko got along just fine before without Kadri in the lineup, and the Avs were just a few “Cogs” short in the chemistry department the three Prior playoff runs, With Lehkonen, Cogliano, Helm, and an important piece I think many leave out is Josh Manson, he definitely brings what the Avs were missing in the previous runs, sure zadorov was on the back line but not the caliber of Manson. To be perfectly… Read more »

Yan Girard

I don’t know why you say I wrote that the youth line was Cogliano – Helm – Sedlak. I did register that the youth line was Meyers – Newhook – O’Connor. Also, you can refer to my comment of the article “Top Remaining NHL Unrestricted Free Agent (And Odds They Could Join Avalanche)” published on July 27 which goes in this direction.   I like the addition of Mason as a right-handed defender. Although Girard can play right and left, a Girard – Manson pair can be very interesting. Since EJ is a right-handed defenseman and is at the end… Read more »

Donald Victory

You’re welcome!

  • My colleague at NYI Hockey Now, and up-and-coming kid named Stefen Rosner, posted a story yesterday which delves more into what his sources are saying about the Nazem Kadri situation (NYI Hockey Now).

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