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Avalanche Mailbag 2.0: Revisiting the Mikko Rantanen Saga

So, full disclosure, I wrote this entire article and scheduled it to be published Thursday morning while I was watching the Leafs and Panthers game. Game 1 between the Dallas Stars and Winnipeg Jets had not yet started. As it turns out, Mikko Rantanen’s insane white-hot streak continued.
He recorded a hat trick for the second consecutive game and broke an NHL record by factoring in on 12 consecutive goals for his team — a streak that is still active and could be extended in Game 2. Rantanen, as of right now, is the early (very early) favorite for the Conn Smythe Trophy.
I just thought it was fascinating to see him continue to build on what he did in Games 5-7 against the Avs while this was already scheduled to be posted. I can’t imagine Chris MacFarland is having fun watching this. I truly do wonder what’s going through Nathan MacKinnon’s head every time he sees his guy score goals at this epic pace.
Anyway, let’s get to what I had written before the game.
Understandably so, several of the mailbag questions were about Rantanen and his role in the Avalanche’s first-round elimination.
The Avs are probably going to see a lot of Rantanen in the postseason over the next eight years. I don’t think we’ll rehash the trade every single time, but given how Rantanen was dealt to Carolina and eliminated the Avs 99 days later with Dallas, I could see why many are still asking about him.
In the second edition of the post-playoff mailbag, I’m answering all questions related to Rantanen and the year that was for the superstar and his saga with the Avalanche.
Read More: Avalanche Mailbag 1.0: Coaching, Management, & What Went Wrong in the Playoffs?
Question from George
Why do you think the Avs chose to blindside Mikko and not tell him first that they would trade him?
Aarif’s Response
I think the easiest way to answer this is to look at how he performed in Carolina. If Rantanen knew the Avs were trying to trade him, it probably would’ve affected his on-ice performance before a deal was made. Granted, he only had four assists in the six-game homestand right before he was dealt, so he wasn’t playing all that great anyway.
More importantly, it would’ve angered his agent and probably led to public comments that would’ve made any trade hard to get to the finish line. Especially for the assets Colorado received. Rantanen didn’t want to leave and if he knew this was coming before it did, his agent would’ve backed him and publicly scolded the Avs for not negotiating. It would’ve been a mess.
Still, I just don’t think it was the right move. There are layers to this and it’s why I wrote what I wrote last weekend about Chris MacFarland’s job. Trading Rantanen is a decision. There are reasons why it was made. And I get that. I agreed with it at the time and still understand why they felt they needed to do it. Even if I don’t entirely agree anymore.
But dealing him and making it a surprise blew up in the Avs’ face. Joe Sakic said on Tuesday that he and MacFarland found out that Rantanen wasn’t going to sign in Carolina the same time as all of us. That, too, is a problem.
I know they traded him in January because Carolina was contemplating dealing Martin Necas to Vancouver in a separate deal, and the Avs didn’t want to lose out on that player. But, if you’re not going to sign Rantanen, and you’re not going to work with him to pick a team in the East and sign there longterm, then you should’ve at least traded him much closer to the deadline — even if it were a surprise — so he doesn’t end up in Dallas in the same season.
Call it hindsight if you want. But they should’ve planned for these scenarios. If not, it just means they didn’t value Rantanen as the level of superstar that deserves the respect to have these scenarios planned for.
And by all accounts, that seems to be the case. I don’t believe that they only traded him because he’s a third superstar they can’t afford. I think they’re banking on him not being worth his new contract. Which might be the case in a few years (if at all). But that’s still an epic failure of a mindset to have in the prime of his career when you’re trying to win another Stanley Cup. It’s win now, isn’t it?
Question from Steve
Could MacFarland really have put a stipulation in the Rantanen trade that Carolina couldn’t trade Rantanen to a Western Conference team? I see that mentioned a lot, but was that truly an option?
Aarif’s Response
I don’t believe that’s something he could’ve done. But like I said, the best solution to this would’ve been trading him closer to March 7, to not give the second team much time to deal him again. It took Carolina about two-ish weeks before they realized that Rantanen wasn’t working there and wasn’t going to sign.
If the Avs traded him closer to deadline day, he would’ve at least been there for this postseason, which means you’re not facing him for at least this season with the Dallas Stars.
Could Rantanen have just walked on July 1 and signed with Dallas then? Yes. But it still eliminates him from this year’s first round, which would’ve given the Avs a much better shot at getting to the second round and beyond.
Question from Jeffrey Anderson
Did Mikko’s agent get too greedy and play hardball with CMac for Leon Draisaitl money? Did CMac not want to pay Mikko because of cap space, and he was our third-best superstar and he also wanted to get a return for him before Mikko left as a free agent? Maybe nobody knows what really happened?
Aarif’s Response
This is all pretty much confirmed at this point. Sakic said he knows where they were and where the agent was in negotiations at the time of the trade. MacFarland has been clear about needing to pay Cale Makar and having depth rather than paying three superstars.
But it doesn’t change the fact that the difference in their negotiations could’ve been made up over time. The agent is difficult and proved this in the 2019 negotiation. But you’re not signing the agent, you’re signing the player. You work through this stuff.
I know Nathan MacKinnon signed a full season out. So did Cale Makar. But it doesn’t always work that way.
Gabe Landeskog waited until literally the last minute before free agency before signing. Nobody ever calls him selfish for waiting until the end to get way more money than the Avs probably wanted to offer. Why is Rantanen any different for taking the same approach?
Historically, superstar players, if they’re not getting the offer they want, don’t sign in October or January. They sign closer to the trade deadline or July 1 as the two sides work on closing the gap. Especially when the player wants to stay and the team wants him to stay. But, hey, maybe they didn’t want him.
It also rubs me the wrong way that Rantanen walked into MacFarland’s office two days before the trade and told the GM that he wanted to stay and was flexible. And then he was traded 48 hours later.
Before Rantanen ever publicly shared that story, it was reported by Sportsnet’s Nick Kypreos. People knew about this before Rantanen spoke to the media. So we can’t necessarily say Rantanen made it up.
Anyway, it’s all in the past. I don’t think the Avs are out of their Stanley Cup window by any means. They can win another Cup and probably beat Rantanen’s Dallas Stars on the way to it.
Question from Christopher
If you had been MacFarland, how much money would you have given to Rantanen?
Aarif’s Response
Eight years, $96 million. That was what I predicted he’d get back in 2023 when MacKinnon’s deal kicked in. That was what I still felt he’d end up with last fall after Draisaitl’s deal. And that was what he signed for in Dallas.
I know a lot happened for him and his agent to accept that number with the Stars. And the no-tax thing certainly helps. But I still believe they would’ve closed the gap in negotiations closer to the trade deadline or in June. The front office didn’t give this enough time to play out. Negotiations like this aren’t supposed to be easy.
No matter how hard a bargain the agent was driving, Rantanen didn’t want to leave. He would’ve stepped in and made sure that didn’t happen. The Avs didn’t give him a chance to get to that point, which means they didn’t value him enough to keep chugging along until that point.
Landeskog settled for less than he could have made on the open market which Mikko could have done by accepting the alleged $11.75mil offer but he didn’t. As far as I know Landeskog didn’t reject any offers so there was more trust that he would actually re-sign.
Landeskog didn’t re – sign until literally hours before the start of free agency. So I’m sure there was an offer made long before then, that wasn’t of satisfactory to him & his agent. Otherwise it doesn’t get to the 11th hour.
I don’t think Sakic was sitting there hours before July 1st. And just then decided “I better call Gabe’s agent, I totally forgot to make him an offer”.
Like I said I don’t know if he rejected any offers (and neither do you) like Mikko did but there was clearly a framework in place that both parties were much more comfortable with given the Avs left him unprotected and Seattle didn’t even bother claiming him.
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Think your analysis is quite good. It was a close call. Mikko is on a heater right now. Necas may prove to be a superstar in his own right. So this deal is going to look different year by year
I like the analysis. I was someone who tried to defend the trade when it happened as well, but obviously with the benefit of hindsight and everything that has come out since, it is difficult. I also take a bit of issue with Sakic’s comments about not paying 3 superstars. Toronto is paying 4 right now. That might not be a perfect analogy because of their limited success in the playoffs, but they’re still in this year and we aren’t. It’ll also be interesting to see Necas’s next contract. Depending on his play next year, I could see it being… Read more »
I think the even better company is the Blackhawks after they won their first cup in the mid 2000’s. They inked Toews, Kane & Keith to big money (for that era) long – term deals. And everyone in the hockey world thought it too much to pay 3 guys & still build out a competitive roster, have depth, etc. But they won 2 more cups. Obviously it helped that they actually knew how to find quality in the later rds of the draft. Which allowed them cheap contracts to fill out the bottom of their roster. That might be the… Read more »
Chicago won its Stanley Cups while Kane and Toews had a salary of 6.3M. It was after their 2015 Stanley Cup that Kane and Toews signed for $10.5M per year and the fall to the bottom of the standings began. It’s only been about 5 years since a team managed to win the Stanley Cup with a 10M player in its lineup.
I know..I said for the time. You have to take into account the cap at that time was only 64 million.
When you add up the percentage of the cap they were taking up. Versus what it would’ve been with Mack @ 12.5, Mikko @ 12 & Cale @ 9.5. It’s 35% of a 95 million cap. With the Hawks at the time it was 30% between Kane, Keith & Toews.
Also, Eichel was making 10 when Vegas won, and Barkov/Bob were making 10 for the Panthers last year. But I get the point you’re making. If superstars take less then you can build out your team easier.
When they signed their $6.3M contract that took effect in the 2010-2011 season, Toews and Kane’s salary occupied 10.6% of the salary cap. With a salary of 12M and a salary cap of 95M, the salary represents 12.6% of the salary ceiling. However, we know that Rantanen would never have signed with the Avalanche during the season at a salary of 12M. To secure Rantanen’s services, it cost 14 million. This salary represents 14.7% of the salary ceiling. So there’s a big difference between Toews/Kane and Rantanen. We are talking about a difference of 38.7%. It’s not even close.
You need to double check your math. In 2010 – 11. The salary cap was only 59 million. They also had Keith, Seabrook & Hossa all making a touch over 5.
So they had 5 players taking up nearly 50% of their cap. And they somehow made it work. Nice try though.
6.3M on a payroll of 59.4M, that’s 10.6%. I see that mathematics is not your strength. I don’t have time to offer training. Bye.
I’m sure Mikko’s second hand trick in as many games will continue to bolster the belief that the Avs lost this trade. It obviously does not look like a good one right now, but if you look at Mikko’s career playoff stats (Mikko Rantanen Playoff Stats | StatMuse), he has already scored more goals for Dallas than he ever did for the Avs, including the Cup year when he only scored 5 goals. Mikko was a solid, but not spectacular playoff performer for the Avs. He was outstanding from an assist and playmaking perspective the cup year and he had… Read more »
You’re entitled to feel how you feel about his shortcomings as a player. But to say he’s part of the reason they failed to win but 1 playoff rd since the cup win. I can’t get on board with putting any of that on him, Mack or Cale. Outside of this year in which he obviously wasn’t a part of the postseason. The teams they’ve iced have been extremely top heavy. And without Mack & Rants would be lottery teams. I put it on management. All of the moves to bring in depth pieces & an adequate supporting cast have… Read more »
I think he played his role in them not advancing further every year. If you wanted to ding me Jeremy you should have posted Draisaitl’s career playoff numbers because honestly Mikko’s look pretty good in comparison 🙂 I do wonder more now what if we held onto them than I ever did before. I cannot deny that, but with Landy coming back, the only way to really fill out the roster cap wise is to do a great job from here on out on building underrated players at good value to fill those roles. But most importantly we need the… Read more »
I actually thought Draisaitl has been a monster the last few years in the postseason.
I will say if Mikko was initially looking for Draisaitl money, then he was reaching. As highly I think of Mikko’s game & talent. He’s no Draisaitl.
There’s more to it than that To spite a fairly flat cap from Covid until 2024, the cost of the core of this team almost doubled.Nuke went from 2.5 to 6.1, Nate 6.5 to 12.6, Cale from 880k to 9, Toews 4 to 7 etc. The cap has since gone up some from Covid by nowhere near what this core did. There is relief coming with a $113m cap in a few years, but the Avs got caught at a bad time when contracts were coming due and a flat cap. It killed money left over for depth. Not saying… Read more »
You are absolutely right. It was so strange because both Nuggets and Avs seemed prime for multiple championship runs and Covid caused the flat cap in hockey and the second apron luxury tax in bball cost the Nuggets Brown and Caldwell Pope (to a degree). Just some bad luck plus Landy’s injury.
Most definitely. Lots of bargain contracts at the time. And after the cup lots of extensions needed to be inked. I fully understood & supported the not retaining Kuemper, Burky, etc. I just feel they really undervalued what Kadri brought. They thought they could replicate what they did with him. In finding a 2C. Or someone that could give them 2C production at 3C type money. Hence the Ryjo experiment & then trading for a younger less established player in Mitts thinking he had another gear/level to his game. I don’t think they had any intention of paying Kadri fair… Read more »
All fair…with one alibi. I don’t think the Avs had an issue giving Kadri FMV, I think they were unwilling to give the term he was seeking at 33 years old, coming off a year where he well over performed his career averages. Good on the Flames for inking him to that contract, but he is going to be on their books as a $7m cap hit when he is 39. Be interesting to see how that contract ages.
Oh..the back half won’t age well lol. My mindset was always who cares on the term from the Avs perspective. If you ink him for 7 years & you get anything close to the Kadri Calgary has got over last 3 years, totally worth it. And I think he’s got at least another 1 – 2 years of being a legitimate 2C ahead of him. One would have to think once you were to get to years 5, 6 & 7 of that deal. Are the Avs most likely a legit cup contender anymore? Or by that point are they… Read more »
I hate to bring this up, but remember after SakFarland let Naz walk in the summer of ’22, their vision was Newhook would become the 2C for the next decade. We all know that was another swing and miss by Avs mgt.
Yup. And then when he clearly wasn’t that guy. They pivoted to JT Compher out of necessity. And then because he was playing 2C mins with Mikko he had a career year & his price/market value went up.
That’s the thing. It’s not just the Mikko decision/trade. It’s been a litany of bad decisions since 22.
Avs trade Mikko
Mikko single handidly outscores av’s in game seven.
Scores a hat trick in consecutive games
Av’s 2 superstars are watching the Stars now from the couch
GM and President say they do not regret the trade.
Are they on crack? This was a blunder of historical proportions and somehow these two “geniuses” sit in a room and convince themselves they did the right thing.
Then somehow they think the fans and press will agree…
I say again “are they on crack?”
Man,I gotta lay off the peyote.
I heard he’s working on a pirouette hat trick to unveil for the Cup series.
RE: “It also rubs me the wrong way that Rantanen walked into MacFarland’s office two days before the trade and told the GM that he wanted to stay and was flexible. And then he was traded 48 hours later.” I was unaware of this. It stinks. If Rantanen walked into the office (albeit late in the game) and expressed a desire to stay and was flexible, could a deal have been made in that short of time? Say a week before the trade – – could the Avs have contacted Mikko directly and bypass his agent? Or was contact only… Read more »
In my business experience, if I made a decision to get rid of an asset just prior to trying the close the largest deal in the industry, Stanley Cup, security would have been helping me take my stuff to the street.
Exactly. I mean in this case Macfarland’s boss (Sakic) was aware/involved. To what degree & whose initial idea it was to shop/trade him, we’ll probably never know. And you assume ownership was made aware prior to the deal & not after.
But sports is a different beast. To not involve your 10 year tenured head coach. And your superstar players (Mack, Cale & Landy). Seems shortsighted & a bit arrogant.
Seems a bit one sided Aarif, you have Mikko’s side and no confirmation from both sides that it actually occurred or what baseline was the discount from. No matter how you feel about the trade, obviously the way thing played out, most would want it back, it seems a bit ridiculous that Moose goes to the media and states his case he was willing to accept a discount to stay when both sides admit he was offered about $250k per year less than he signed for. As far as working with Mikko to pick a team of his choosing, this… Read more »
While I think there have been hits and misses by Avs management through the years, I do admire that they don’t negotiate through the media. It is frustrating not to know what “really” happened with Rantanen, but the Avs are willing to take the hit rather than take shots at a player. This is in stark contrast to the NFL where draft/negotiation leaks seem to be the norm.
💯agree…I admire this approach as well. I’m just always skeptical of opinions formed by half the story. Almost always, the truth lies somewhere in between.
“It also rubs me the wrong way that Rantanen walked into MacFarland’s office two days before the trade and told the GM that he wanted to stay and was flexible. And then he was traded 48 hours later.” Always ask: who wants this story out there . . . and why? I find this story to be . . . not very credible. And even if true – which strains credulity – it does not matter. What number was the agent insisting on? Did he draw the line at that number or we walk? (Elliotte Friedman’s reporting suggests that the… Read more »
The thing that bothers me the most about the Mikko situation is that he was not far off with MacKinnon in terms of production, yet the front office and media never seemed to really promote him as our 2nd Star, even though he was. People and especially the media wanted to say that he was our 3rd best player. Wrong! He was our 2nd best player and our best pure scorer. MacKinnon’s career shooting percentage is not very good and it’s certainly nowhere as good as Mikko’s. Heck, the front office promoted Georgiev for the All Star game last year… Read more »
Not only did Rantanen cut out the heart of his former franchise, but he showed it to management with yet another hat trick in Game 1 of the second round. The Avalanche as we have known them are dead. The Stars are the new power in the West.
Loud stick tap for Aarif, who had the balls to call out MacFarland for the fraud that he is and always will be. Dude destroyed a franchise.
Welcome, one and all, to the endless vortex of Rantanen trade butthurt drama…
What else at the moment should we be discussing? Since you know the Avs are golfing, in large part because of said player.
This year, the Avalanche are playing golf because of Rantanen. Last year, it was because of Duchene. A few years ago it was because of Kiviranta. The Avalanche have never had great success against Dallas. For the Avalanche to have a chance of winning, Dallas would have to dress no player.
Everything in your comment is true, and because of that I upvoted it. I don’t understand why somebody would downvote it…
How about the future? You know, the things that can be done since we obviously cannot change what has already transpired?
Not much can be done unless they clear some cap space. And how they go about doing it & who they move to do it. They’re screwed @ 2C again. Major holes & questions with the D – core outside the top pair. The only elite aspect of the team is the top 6. Even there though, can Landy actually physically get through an 82 game season. Always questions with Nuke’s availability. And Necas is a pending UFA, who has really only had one elite level regular season. Little no cap space. No draft capital & no real tradable prospects.… Read more »
Alright guys, all we need it a time machine?
Does anyone have a time machine?
Ask Jeremy, the poster child for Hindsight Bias.
It’s not hindsight when from literally Aarif’s first post regarding the trade I was 1000% against it & never wavered.
Everyone who comments here regularly (you included) if they’re being truthful can attest to that. Especially since I got constantly shit talked by you, Rico & others if I ever brought it up.
Before the start of the season, Dallas was considered a favorite to win the Stanley Cup. They ranked ahead of the Avalanche. Before Rantanen’s trade, Dallas was also ahead of the Avalanche in the standings. After the trade deadline, the Avalanche returned to the Stanley Cup favourites, but Dallas was always given a better chance. Before the start of the Dallas-Colorado series, several hockey analysts mentioned that the Dallas-Colorado matchup was the final before the final. One way to estimate Dallas and Colorado’s chances of winning the series is to give them each a 50% chance of winning the series.… Read more »
Are you Chris Macfarland..lol? You managed to write a lot of words there. But essentially said nothing. Yes I’m sure the decision wasn’t made lightly.
And yes Dallas & Colorado were cup favorites, which everyone knew.
The only lack of seriousness is in your take. Not everyone pivoted to hating the trade within the last week. Plenty within the fanbase hated it then. And hate it even more now.
If next year, Necas and/or Drury scores one or more goals in a game that eliminates Dallas, the Avalanche will have won the trade? That’s your point of view, but things are much more complicated than the message you persist in writing on this platform day in and day out. It’s quite normal for people to be more disappointed with the transaction following the elimination of the Avalanche since hockey is an emotional game. At the same time, if the parent allows their child to ride a bike and as a result, they are the victim of an accident in… Read more »
I only see absurdity in your weird analogy. The way they lost to Rantanen & the Stars was only the icing on the cake. I also have no clue where you got your thesis that I only feel as if they lost the trade because of the end result this season. I’ve been very consistent on why I believe they lost the trade. They gave up an elite player. A consensus top 15 player in the world in his prime. Over a roughly 1 – 2 million dollar per year gulf in money. And just to rub salt in the… Read more »
Not only was Rantanen not willing to take a cut to stay in Colorado, he wanted to be paid more than his value. He and his agent seemed determined to play a hard line like last time and use Draisaitl’s 14M as a comparable. What do you think happens to a team when superstars are overpaid and they don’t accept a discount? The other players on the team also don’t want to accept a discount and also want to pay for it. This leads to serious problems. It’s a culture of organization. A player, no matter how good he is,… Read more »
You don’t know what hindsight bias means. But I do agree that were unwavering in your belief that the trade was bad. Belief being the operative term here.
And I did criticize your relentless ad hominem attacks on those with whom you disagreed, and the fact that you continued your posts long (looooooooong) after your point had been made. That, and your sentence structure and grammar needed work. I suppose that can be construed as “shit talk,” but you likely think that of anyone who may disagree with your opinion.
I don’t think you do. It’s like you got a thesaurus found a word or two you really thought made you sound clever, & just applied it here. And opinions are essentially belief. Which over time are usually revealed to be right or wrong. And clearly based on how this postseason went. You Rico & the other all knowing goofs, who just simp for Avs management were 100% wrong. Hindsight is essentially past tense. Bias would imply…honestly I don’t know how it would be relevant to this situation. Because I have no bias. Unless you consider the fact that I… Read more »
Well then, I’m so sorry. I never knew that your opinion and belief were actually real knowledge. You’ve completely debunked the entire philosophy of Epistemology with a few oddly punctuated sentences.
Do you have anything to offer to the conversation as it pertains to hockey? I apologize if my punctuation isn’t pristine. Criticizing grammar & punctuation as oppose to being able to generate anything worthwhile to the discussion. Begs the question, why are you here? Since you have such a stiffy for immaculate grammar. Maybe you should go on upwork & see if you can land a gig as a proofreader. It would be a more productive use of your time & abilities. And I would argue that my opinion regarding the trade has quickly morphed into fact. Since the results… Read more »
If anyone still thinks the Moose trade was good, I will trade you Whoopi Goldberg for Sydney Sweeney
JUST FIRE CHRIS AFTER THIS TRADE,
He lost the byram trade, the Mikko trade the Nilson trade and many others. This GM destroy the team